Tuesday, August 23, 2005

The Wolf Inside Tuesday August 23, 2005

This was originally posted on 360 on Tuesday August 23 2005

The Wolf Inside

Looking at Ass's post of his dog Here
(Thats the picture and the italics is his post just in case you can't access it)
This is a pic of my other boy Duke it was taken about 4 years
ago or so, and put on a web site missus remembered and went
looking and found it still there our bitch is on the site to.
There's no such thing as a bad breed, just bad owners and a bad
upbringing of the dog!! My boy is the biggest sook never harmed
a human in his life or our bitch, and when it comes to other
animals they have never started anything but if the other
stupied animal did start then there was problems but i dont
encourage dog fights or any kinda animal fights so if i was
around i would brake it up ASAP! I could tell a 100 stories
about duke but i type like a old granny so i aint gonna bother
but he is a great dog from a great breed and i have no regrets
Peace out Laterzzzzz

I looked at it first with my photographers eyes I have a
Certificate in Photography and film developing, not that it does
me any good now everything is digital but the composition and
layout of the picture are still the same basic thing, any way I
looked at that pic and thought thats a real good picture the dog
standing in the water and the reflection of it, that could be in
a gallery that picture

The other side to that picture is what its a picture of its a
pit bull course then my Dog Training/Obedience stuff comes out,
I've come across some dogs in my time and ok so thats a pit
bull and Ass says its not the breed and he is right in that,
ITS NOT THE BREED its the people who own them
Did you know that the dog that bites the most is NOT a pit bull but Akitas!
The more unsure the dog is or scared it is the worse it will be
at biting its called " Fight or Flight "

What happens is this the pit bull with just its look can be
scary and they have a rep for biting so what do you do, you get
scared you pump out fear the dog picks up on this it goes you,
you are sopposed to run away ..all dogs do this by the way
even a tiny toy poodle will do this because dogs have no sense
of size......if you just stand your ground the dog thinks ok
this other dog/person is going to go me back and attacks,now you
might say thats the breed,well I don't because if that dog is
trained properly it wont attack ,one word from the owner and it
will back off ,act the right way yourself and it will back off
If a dog is ever standing there growling with hair raised and
tail straight out at you DO NOT run just very slowly walk away,
if you have your own dog with you say " leave it" in a command
voice and just walk away and don't look at the dog thats making
the aggressive behavior , if you back down the other dog will
too its just show the dog is saying "get lost,go away I might
bite you...I really scary look at me I've made myself bigger
I've got big teeth " its just show.
All dogs have a wolf inside they have an in built sense of the
'pack' and the order of the pack and the territory of that pack.
All dog owners must be the leader, the leader controls territory
and makes decisions as to who will be second third etc. Our
family went like this Me, Dog(mini fox terrier) , my daughter, my
son, my X and then the the cat, my X didn't like that much but
that was how the dog saw our pack.
That tiny little dog was boss over everyone except me coz I was Boss Wolf

These are some of the comments that that post generated

Silent… You guys can stay in
denial and say its not the breed and cocker spaniel bite more
often but you seem to forget the most important point: when a
cocker bites you, you end up with puncture marks and some
blood... when a pitbull bites you, you not only need the jaws of
life to get it off but you end up with severe tissue and muscle
Pitbulls are dangerous, they do not make good pets, they do not
have a strong pack instinct so you can't leave them with
children... they will attack even their primary master for
whimsical reasons.
Pitbulls were breeded to be fighting dogs and it's the only
thing they are good at. I applaud cities and provinces banning
If you want a tough looking dog, get a rottweiler or a doberman,
dogs with better disposition who are not walking biting

Ass For 1 thank you for your post missy :D looking good
and to miss Awkward if u ever look at stats the working dog ex
cattle dog and kelpe do more damage to humans in attacks then
any other breed i saw a newspaper artical few years back head
line pittbull attack it was a crossbreed for 1 and a flesh wound
attack few weeks later a blue cattle dog killed a 10yr old boy
it was on like page 5 little artical at the bottom next week
anouther pittbull attack front page big head lines and only a
bloody flesh wound and a bloody cross breed to! And my brother
inlaw works for Australia Post delivering and the pittbull is
not even in the top 10 of dogs to watch out for, for a postie so
get ya shit strait and stop ya whining no such thing as a bad
dog only bad owners!!!!

Silent… wow... what an uncivilized reply.
Why the personal attacks dude? Can't find any real arguments?
I'm sorry but what you read in your local newspaper doesnt mean
shit. and what your brother says neither. Those are just
anecdotes, there are not FACTS, nor are they STATS.
And yes, i'm sure cattle dogs have bit more people than
pitbulls. There has got to be 10 000 working dogs for every
pitbulls in Australia.
And working dogs are usually in the bush or on stations where
there is not that many people around to stop the dog... pitbulls
will tear up your arm in 3secs right there in the middle of the
park downtown even if there is 10 people within 5m.
How interesting you left out those two points:
-pitbulls cause major damage quickly when they bite
-pitbulls were bred to be fighting dogs, not pets
so plz, stop the pathetic personal attacks and go back to
reading that all-knowing source of knowledge that is your local
If you ever find some factual arguments that does not involve
newspaper articles (note the spelling) you read 5 years ago...
and if you are able to discuss them maturely without acting like
a 4 year old making personal attacks, then maybe I'll listen to
what you have to say.

Jessum Speaking of pitbulls, i saw two of them break
off a leash the other day and rip apart a jack russell. A guy
had left them tied up out the front of a kindergarten and an old
man was walking the little jack past them. They were going agro
as the man was walking past and after a while they broke off and
chased the man and the jeck down the street. The both jumped on
the dog and started fighting with it but the two pitties over
powered it quickly and started biting at it. My and my boy were
just coming from around the corner when we saw it happen. The
two pitties literally ripped it apart and started eating the
food in it's stomach. In that time the whole street had gathered
outside and even police had rocked up aswell. The people were
yelling at the police to shoot the dogs but they couldnt. I feel
sorry for the old man who had to walk home without his beloved
pup, which we found out later, was his only companion. It was
really horrifying and sad. I hope that those two dogs were put
down immediatly...

Ass No personaly i am just feed up with human bullshit
we make dogs what they are, I have owned my dog for 7 years now
and never had a problem with him, I just think there bigger
things to worry about then a bloody dog breed, I love my dog and
no one will tell me different he has loyalty and love that you
will never get from no human and i know that, ive seen that and
ive felt that, but we as humans think we are god over all
animals, hmmm how many pittbulls injure and kill humans and
other animals compared to say cars!! Give the animals a break!

Mannar I luv ppl debating,u win only if u counter a
point sucessfully but here instead one is countering by pointing
an anamoly somewhere else...Amd the point here is not about ur dog but pit bulls in
general,its a known fact that they are dangerous than rest of
the breeds,eventually that is what Ass cannot disagree.

™Missy… ok well, that caused a stir ....now It'll have to
do another post,but you have to wait till tomorrow I'm
collecting more info

Ass ive been hearing this shit for years, im past
debating and as far as dangerous yea in the wrong hands they can
be so can a gun or knife or whatever when are people gonna take
resposibility for what they have control of and stop blaming the
dog! and theres more to there breed then fighting they are low
maintance dogs no real health problems, are happy to laze around
all day and are really good with children taking a beating with
no reaction hence there pain tolerance till u have owned and met
other proud owners of the breed and seen them live everyday u
have no right to judge, im done peace out!

Mannar well Mr.Ass ive nothing against pit bulls nor do
i own a non-pit bull breed dog,yeah im not completely blaming
the breed may be it has got something to do with the way it was
brought up..Otherwise i luv all dogs be it pit
bull,rothweiler,pug or whatever...I may not be completely right
but this is what every one hears...
If ur hurt fine then SORRY

Dead Weight … well, this is a convo i must jump in on...i
don't pay attention to anything that the news media hypes up,
they are just looking to get peoples attention, so i miss alot,
but in this case i have personal experiance...my wifes parents
owned a pitbull and things went along fine til one day my
daughter went into their backyard, just like any day before
that, and he latched onto her face without provocation...and she
will always have the scars to prove it...these dogs were bred by
miners who would throw them into pits to be nothing more than a
cockfight to bet on.....my choice, which everyone is entitled to
without stepping on anothers toes, is give me a Dachshund any
day...they were bred to go into badger holes and had the
capability to capture and kill a badger, one on one, and still
show the most love and devotion to their master...is why they
have the long tails, so they could be pulled back out of the
badger holes...one of the few positive things that we acquired
from the germans....but each to their own, if a pitbull is what
you desire, may you have a loving and loyal pet.....but thru my
experiance, i don't want to be within the same state as one

Dead Weight… kind of ended my comment before i was
ready....my personal opinion is that while both of these breeds
were bred to kill, the pitbull was bred to kill for
"entertainment" while the Dachshund was bred to kill for
"protection" of their owner....but natural traits in all dogs
can be changed to whatever the owner is willing to take the time
to teach and train, as long as the owner will take into account
what the breeds natural traits are

Andrew… Interesting -- didn't know that about daschunds.
Makes me feel a little better too, in an odd personal way. A few
years ago a Hungarian colleague complimented me, by saying that
when I was out walking in the street I seemed very dignified,
like a daschund. I of course burst out laughing, and he was a
little hurt that I didn't take his compliment seriously.
Clearly, I've got to go find me some badgers!

J ღ J Must read, "Women Who Run with the Wolves"

For more information I posted this on 360 the next day

Well I have done some research and you can do your own by looking at these sites

Real Pit Bull
Differences in Bull Terrier Breeds

NSW DLG Dog Attack Reports
1996-2001 are available here

The Dog Expert Site

American Staffordshire Terrier
Staffordshire Bull TerrierMiniature Bull TerrierWest Highland White Terrier

Terriers typically have little tolerance for other animals, including other dogs.

Their ancestors were bred to hunt and kill vermin.
Many continue to project the attitude that they're always eager for a spirited argument.
This goes for ALL terriers
The dog more likely to bite you according to the statistics is a Working dog

Cardigan Welsh CorgiAustralian Cattle Dog

Their considerable dimensions and strength alone, however,
make many working dogs unsuitable as pets for average families.
And again, by virtue of their size alone, these dogs must be properly trained.
A study by researchers at the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention (CDC),
published last fall in the Journal of the American Medical Association,
put the number of dog-bite victims requiring medical care at 800,000 yearly
and the number requiring hospitalization at 6,000.
The number of dog bites requiring medical treatment climbed 36 percent between
1986 and 1994.
Children are the most frequent victims of dog bites, and they constitute the population
most likely to be seriously injured or killed in canine attacks.
Of the 27 Americans who died after being bitten by a dog between January 1997
and December 1998,
19 were younger than age 12, according to HSUS.
Of the eight adults killed by dog bites during that same two-year period,
most were representatives of another vulnerable age group -- the elderly.Large, muscular dogs such as Rottweilers and pit bulls have been blamed
for the majority of fatal dog bites that have occurred during the last two decades.
But data from CDC studies show that small dogs such as dachshunds, cocker spaniels
and even a Yorkshire terrier have killed humans.
In Los Angeles last year, a Pomeranian caused fatal injuries to a 6-week-old baby in her crib.
"Bites by Chihuahuas are probably as numerous as bites by German shepherds," says Bonnie Beaver,
executive director of the American College of Veterinary Behaviourists at Texas A&M University. NSW DLG Dog Attack Reports 1996-2001 are available here

The published reports make the following comments -
“Bull Terrier types and Dobermans were more likely to attack an animal or bird.
(33 of the 38 reported
attacks by a Bull Terrier type were on another animal or bird.)”
“Of these breeds most commonly identified, German Shepherd, Cattle Dog Types, Collie Types, Doberman
and Terrier Types were more likely to attack a person.
(All attacks by Collie Type, Doberman and Terrier Types were on people.)
Cross Breeds and Unknown breed were also more likely to attack people...”

Of these breeds most commonly identified
Bull Terrier Types were more likely to attack another animal than a person
while the remaining breeds were more likely to attack a person.“

And that post "The Wolf Inside became my post controversial post ever!

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